Women in Energy with Jamie Elrod
and Massiel Diez

00:00:00 Speaker 1
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00:00:27 Speaker 2
Welcome to the Energy Pipeline Podcast with your host, KC Yost. Tune in each week to learn more about industry issues, tools, and resources to streamline and modernize the future of the industry. Whether you work in oil and gas or bring a unique perspective, this podcast is your knowledge transfer hub. Welcome to the Energy Pipeline.

00:00:51 KC Yost
Hello everyone, and welcome to this episode of the Energy Pipeline Podcast. Today's podcast is a visit with Jamie Elrod and Massiel Diez. Both have very successful full-time jobs in the energy industry, but somehow they both find time to work as industry advocates, supporters of women in the industry, collaborators of knowledge transfer, and they are co-founders of an extremely successful podcast with over 150 episode called Flipping The Barrel. Welcome to the Energy Pipeline Podcast, ladies.

00:01:23 Jamie Elrod
Hey KC, thank you so much for having us.

00:01:27 Massiel Diez
Yes, KC, really appreciate the time that you've spent pulling this together.

00:01:30 KC Yost
Oh, this is great. I've been looking forward to this visit for quite a while, and have lots of questions covering most of the great work that you guys are doing. But before we get started into that, would each of you take a few minutes to share your background with our listeners? Jamie, you want to go ahead and start?

00:01:48 Jamie Elrod
Yeah, sure. No, thank you once again for having me. And so for my background, I started in oil and gas going on probably 12 years now. I was actually founded first by Rigzone. And right when Rigzone started to become a big career opportunity company, really had the resources at that time and now they're huge, but it was about right when it started out. And so I had the opportunity to post my resume on Rigzone, and I was founded there working with Schlumberger, selling drill bits. So my first few stint was in the field, so I sold drill bits. Loved the industry. Loved the people. More importantly, love the opportunity, especially as a woman that I had in the industry. Being one of the only women on most majority of my teams, gave actually a big advantage and opportunity for me. And I was able to move around and do different roles, and work for different service companies from drill bits, down hole drilling tools, to frac and wire line. To now today I work for Baker Hughes as a global key account manager in industrial gas. And I wouldn't have had any of these opportunities if it for my mentors and sponsors that helped me along the way. But more importantly just the inertia of the energy industry, and how much they actually do support women and the opportunities that we do have, which is how Mass and I got so connected.

00:03:15 KC Yost
So do you get out in the field much anymore?

00:03:17 Jamie Elrod
Not much anymore. My role today is, actually, I work a lot with a team in Florence. So very different than when I was working in the oil field service division with frac and wire line, where I was in the field on a monthly basis just seeing customers out there. And it's really important to have that field knowledge, and to really see the hands at work. Because ultimately, they are the reason why you're able to sell their services, so you want to know them and meet them and respect them. And so I was very big advocate of that. But today, no, not so much as my role has expanded. But, definitely, always have that love for the field and quite honestly, I miss it.

00:03:57 KC Yost
Oh, good. Understood. Understood. Now from Columbia, to Canada, to Houston. What a trip.

00:04:07 Massiel Diez
Yes. And Mexico and back to Houston.

00:04:10 Jamie Elrod
Don't forget that.

00:04:11 KC Yost
Can't forget that.

00:04:12 Massiel Diez
Cannot forget that. It's been part of the journey so far. So very different story I would say from Jamie in the fact that Columbia, I moved to Montreal when I was four in Canada, grew up there, studied chemical engineering at McGill University. Had no idea what I was going to do my engineering with afterwards, definitely not oil and gas as it's not popular in Montreal specifically. However, SLB at the time had a booth at their career fair, and it was the first time I was introduced to oil and gas. And I thought it looked exciting, it was fun. They sold me the dream of a field engineer, which sounded like just an adventure. And it was, every day was different. You're out in the field on a rig, in the middle of nowhere by yourself, and you have to be very resourceful. And I guess that's where the engineering side kicks in of troubleshooting and figuring it out, and having to fix tools on location or whatever you have to do, just do. And I think for a young 22-year-old, it's probably the best job because you'll never be able to experience this so young, and just being responsible of million dollar tools and big operations at such a young age. So I definitely encourage everybody to start in the field if you can. And from there I was a wireline field engineer for five and a half years between Alberta and Midland. So I moved to Midland in my last year. And from there they moved me to Houston, which is when I entered a business development role. I knew in the field that my favorite part of the job was talking to customers, and helping them, and just interacting with them, and trying to get them to sell our technology, or upsell a job. And I felt really proud of negotiating. And so I knew I wanted to do sales after the field, and so I was lucky enough to go do that for about four years, which is when Jamie and I met when I moved to Houston. And from there, interestingly enough, moved to Mexico for a one and a half year assignment, doing a project in sales and commercial on integration. And then from there moved back to Houston, and I'm now the communications manager for one of our divisions. Which is really interesting to see that as an engineer you can have this kind of job in a big corporation, which I would've never thought I can have a job in this. But obviously, I'm sure the podcast helped and they realized, "Hey, we should probably put her in communications."

00:06:37 KC Yost
Excellent. Excellent. I mentor young engineers each year, and I have one now who graduated from Pitt in chemical engineering. And she said that her entire graduating class basically just said, "What part of Houston are you moving to?" That chemical engineering and Houston are pretty well tied together, so there you go. Great. Cool. Great journey ladies. Thank you so much. So let's talk about Flipping The Barrel. And I mentioned to this earlier, I've done all of this reading and just totally overwhelmed by all of the things that you guys are doing and posting on LinkedIn and all of that. This is well more than a podcast, this is a movement that you guys are spearheading. Can you talk about how it all started and what your purpose is? What you're striving toward?

00:07:39 Jamie Elrod
Mass, you want me to take that first?

00:07:39 Massiel Diez
Yeah, I was going to say you're really good at telling inaudible.

00:07:42 Jamie Elrod
So it's quite interesting because Mass and I, people often assume we've known each other for a decade. And we actually met via social media. And it's a pretty funny story, but to make it short. My husband reached out to her via Instagram because Massiel has a big Instagram, she's been a very huge supporter for women in the field sharing her journey. And my husband was following her, and she had posted that she was eating at a place called bellagreen, which him and I go to all the time. And he had said, "Hey, are you at bellagreen? I know the salad that you're eating." And Massiel of course was like, "This is such a weird comment. A weird DM not used to those in Instagram." And then his next response to her was like, "Hey, you need to meet my wife." And so then he calls me up and he's like, "Hey, you need to meet this girl, Massiel." And of course I'm like, "What do you mean? You messaged her on Instagram?" And so it's always a funny story to tell. But lo and behold, I took his advice and I reached out to her. I was like, "Hey, let's meet up. We're both in Houston." At the time, I was working at frac and wireline sales. And Massiel was actually selling some of the equipment that we would be purchasing at the company that I worked at. So we had a lot in common and we met at bellagreen, and then we just hit it off. We talked for I think it was like three hours. We ended up staying there and we were just really connected, which is really unique because a lot of times her and I both had never felt those type of early on connections. And we just felt that there was so much we had in common. And it wasn't but a few months later that we decided we need to do something together. And more importantly, it was because her and I were so aligned on how we felt about the energy industry, how important it is for us to continue to humanize the energy industry, so that people can see more of the good side of it. And that was back in 2019 when her and I met. So it's about over five years ago now, which it's crazy to think about. And at that time, we felt that there just wasn't enough good messaging being put out there. And so we decided that we would do a podcast, because it was free for people to listen to. And then also we were a little selfish that we wanted to ask these questions to what we were hoping would eventually one day be CEOs. That way we could learn from them on their journey, how did they get into oil and gas? How did they get to become a CEO? And then also we wanted at some point to start a family and be moms, but we were scared of how we could ever do that. We did not understand how people worked and had children. And so that was a big part of the podcast too, was to ask those very unique questions on how did you do it? And these were all similar, I would say fears and also challenges that her and I always thought about and faced, but we really had nobody to talk about it with. And we used the podcast as that type of outlet. And so that was really our initial reasoning for starting it, and it really caught on. And a lot of people really liked the authenticity piece that we had about the podcast and how it wasn't about the companies. It was never about the company you worked for, it was about you and your journey. And we continue to be truthful to that mission, and that still today is what each podcast is about. It's about the person, where they came from and how they got to where they are. And I feel that that is why we've had such a big community, and as you say now today a movement, because that has turned into more things than just the podcast. Massiel, I don't know if you wanted to add anything about what else we're doing?

00:11:17 Massiel Diez
No, it was perfectly said. Very well summarized.

00:11:20 Jamie Elrod
So first shout out to bellagreen. Where's it located in Houston and what kind of cuisine?

00:11:29 Massiel Diez
It's healthy salads. The one we met at is in City Center, but they should sponsor us here, so we talk about them all the time.

00:11:34 Jamie Elrod
All the time.

00:11:35 KC Yost
And the second thing I picked up on, and I see this on your website and throughout, PR for the energy industry is terrible. We are considered dirty and nasty, and there's a real human side to this. And there's a lot of comparison, if you will, to looking at economic prosperity and the availability of energy, fossil fuels or whatever you want to call it, that help generate what we're doing here. Great. Now, so you've grown to a point where you've got 500,000 downloads of your podcast and 15, 000 followers on LinkedIn. You've just mushroomed into something really, really tremendous, and you've just got so many things going on. As a father of four daughters and seven granddaughters. Thank you for paving the way for what's to come for these girls.

00:12:41 Massiel Diez
Thank you.

00:12:42 KC Yost
So some of the projects that you have going on, I got a kick out of it, the girl dad thing and like father, like daughter, I've picked up on a few things like that. So what projects do you guys have going on right now?

00:12:59 Massiel Diez
So we could talk about our upcoming event, July 17th-

00:13:02 KC Yost
Good.

00:13:03 Massiel Diez
...Energizing Tomorrow. And then I'll go over two of the other events that we do every year and the reason behind the event. And so I would say with what we've done with Flipping The Barrel is really, like Jamie said, humanize the industry, and talk about different topics that you wouldn't necessarily find in a conference that's very technical. And even though it's great to have technical, but it's got its place. We talk about human like things, culture, diversity and inclusion, parenthood, all the things that affect us as career people, and just wanting advice from different people. So the one coming up July 17th at Lakeside Country Club here in Houston, it's available. If anybody wants to go get a ticket, visit our website flippingthebarrel. com. The aim behind this event is very unique, it's a summer luncheon. And what we wanted to do was talk to CEOs, or high level leaders who have daughters because we've heard it over and over again throughout the podcast. We're just meeting people that it's really changed who they are and affected them in their leadership, because now they have daughters at home that are soon going to start the workforce, and that are bringing up issues about how maybe a teacher treated them, or how they're not getting credit that they deserve. So I think it's almost like you wouldn't know unless you have daughters at home who are speaking up about this, or you have a spouse that also works in your industry, and that can tell you about all the issues or things that she's seeing, and how it is different for men and women. And so we wanted to focus on that. And so we've got two CEOs and a VP talking about how their daughters have really changed how they lead, how they lead women because it's different and we tick differently. And then also just what they're doing to bring a better pipeline of women to join the industry, whether it's going to push younger girls to go into STEM, go talk in high schools, go for the outreach of ladies who are studying to study something. And so it's beyond just at home and at their workforce, they're talking about how they're really getting into the pipeline to have more women come into the industry. And then the second panel is D & I: Where Do We Go From Here? And it's just a panel with D & I experts in the industry who've been in it for a while, and just get the pulse on where we're at. Has the pendulum swung one way, has it not? There's been a lot of articles online about companies pulling out of D & I, the quotas. It's still quite interesting what's happening in the space, especially in the industry. And so we wanted to just have a panel of experts, and have people really ask those tough questions of are we doing the right thing? Do we still need to do other things? And should companies be investing in D & I, et cetera, as there's been a lot of budget cuts on it.

00:15:56 KC Yost
Okay, great. Great. I shared with you guys a story when I was a rookie engineer in 1976, Tennessee Gas Pipeline, now part of Kinder Morgan hired their first female engineer. And I know her name very clearly, but won't say it here. But she can call me and I'll be happy to share it in the next podcast if she'd like. But in any case, the accommodations for females back in the mid'70s were woefully missing. I in the engineering training program got to go work on an offshore lay barge, ship shoal area, and spent months out there learning what was going on and the operation. She didn't have that because there were no accommodations for her on the lay barge, it was all men out there. Literally, I think for the time Tennessee Gas did a great thing in that they felt the need for her to get out there. So they actually put her in a hotel room in Houma, and then each day flew her out to the rig, out to the lay barge, and she stayed out there all day. And then a dusk would fly back and spend the night, and come back and forth, and she did that for a week or 10 days. You look at where we were with women in the industry back then to where we are now, I think we're light-years ahead of where we are. And there are a lot of people that recognize what's going on, but I get the impression we have a long way yet to go. And I think you guys actually working as a support group for young female engineers, promoting the idea of STEM for the younger girls and all, I think adds a lot of value to the industry. And I applaud you for what you're doing there. But again, from the dark ages to where we are now it's light-years different, I think. Do you have people that have told you stories like that?

00:18:13 Jamie Elrod
Yeah, so we've had people on the podcast that definitely right now they're executives. So 20 years ago or so they were in the field, and they definitely had their challenges with not having the right resources on location. And also just some of the comments that you got on location, especially at that time when there really wasn't that protection that they had today. But more importantly, I think what we're struggling with in the industry is now that we have a push and we've had pushed for women to be in it, how do we support them as their needs are different than men? And that's a conversation now that we're turning to is how do you support the families? How do you support women when they need to take a leave? And more importantly, how are we supporting paternity leaves and maternity leaves? And now we're in a space where we're really talking about from a cultural standpoint, what are we doing to ensure that there really is inclusivity in the roles because that's where we are today. There's women that, we just had our all women's event, we had 400 women attend that event, and we could have had more tables if there was room. And so there is women in the industry, and now we need to look at how do we continue to help grow them in their career, and how do companies change the way that they work in order to support those women throughout different stages in their life? And so these are the conversations that Massiel and I like to have and want to continue to have. Because as Massiel mentioned, it's great to have these conferences that are technical and we need that, but at the same time, we need talent. And in order to keep talent and to continue to grow the pipeline, we need to be talking about how are we supporting our employees. And so that's what a big mission of Flipping The Barrel is.

00:19:57 KC Yost
When I started looking and studying Flipping The Barrel, I try to make an analogy of looking at the Aggie Network. An Aggie walks into an Aggie's office and they see the ring, and automatically there's credibility there. Flipping The Barrel to me is doing the same thing with women in the industry, if you will, instant cred, "Come in. Let's talk. And we have the same issues, we have the same background, we have the same challenges. Let me tell you how I did it, and you can learn from my mistakes and move on." But at the end of the day we're talking about, and again, we get back to my mentee, I say to her that, "This is a marathon, this is not a sprint." So be aware of things that may not fall into place right now. And if you have different priorities, you have to adjust your way of looking at things as your priorities change. Am I just an old guy that doesn't know any better? That's what I've been saying anyway.

00:21:12 Massiel Diez
No, we definitely agree with that. And I would say a lot of the people we've had on the podcast will say the same thing, it's a marathon, it's not a sprint. There's seasons for different parts of your life and different parts of your journey where to your point, you're taking a leave, you're having children, you're going through different things. And I think we are all wired that we want to climb the corporate ladder as fast as we possibly can. But the more and more we hear from people who've made it is all about, "Slow down, there's no rush. Enjoy the journey. The top is lonely." And so take your time. I think sometimes we put a lot of pressure on ourselves of we have to be here by 30, by 25, by whatever. But the more we hear is, "Really just enjoy the journey and take your time." So I think what you've been telling your mentees is absolutely correct, it's enjoy the marathon.

00:22:04 KC Yost
Ah, score one for me. Good. My grandfather used to tell me all the time that you have to start at the small end of the horn in order to come out the big end of the horn, musician type thing. And getting out in the field, learning the basics is fundamental to supervising or managing. How dare someone who's never done X try to tell someone to go do that. If I haven't done it, I want to do it so I can supervise and help that person learn. You're just taking it to the next level, well beyond anything that I've ever had to deal with. So kudos to you guys. I'm really impressed.

00:22:52 Massiel Diez
Thank you.

00:22:53 KC Yost
You were talking about, and you shared some notes with me earlier, and I appreciate that. We were talking about how you're learning from people that have been in the industry for 20, 30 plus years and picking things up. So one of the things that you mentioned here, and I've got it right here. What would you tell your younger self things that you've learned now that you would want to pass on to Jamie 15 years ago, or Michelle, 20 years ago? You got some ideas that you want pass on?

00:23:30 Jamie Elrod
All right Massiel, I'll go first.

00:23:34 Massiel Diez
You have a really good one, Jamie, the one that you did the post recently on not expecting others to inaudible.

00:23:43 Jamie Elrod
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, that is a good one. So early on, I had a mentor and it was at Schlumberger. Chad Hall, I'll say his name, because I said it in the post. And he told me I was early 20s and I was very aggressive. I was always like go, go, go, go, go. And he told me my biggest struggle is going to be realizing that that not everybody's 100% is my 100%. So when I am challenging somebody on their work, or on what they're doing or what they're submitting, it could be really their 100% even though I feel like it's 50% of what I could have done. And he said that I'm really going to struggle with that if I don't understand that concept. And I still to this day, that was in probably 2013. I remember it verbatim, and I had posted about it recently as Massiel had mentioned, because it really had stuck with me. And I really started to realize that not everybody works at the same pace and that it's important that we do have different people working at different levels and doing things differently. Because how I work at my pace and level, sometimes I do tend to overlook things where other people are more detailed, and so it takes them longer. And it took a while for me to understand that, and I really had taken that to heart when he said that, and really try to work on that for myself. And so I think one thing I would say early on if I didn't have Chad tell me, and for those that haven't had that kind of response yet, is that not everybody is going to work like you, and it's supposed to be that way. And you shouldn't hold that against them or even hold a grudge, because sometimes I would be upset about it. And then I started to realize that that person is truly trying their best and doing their best, and who am I to judge what rate that they work at? And so I think that was a really good lesson that I had learned.

00:25:35 KC Yost
Excellent, excellent, I like that. I like that.

00:25:38 Massiel Diez
I guess I could share a small one.

00:25:43 KC Yost
Sure.

00:25:44 Massiel Diez
So it'd be too, in a nutshell, it's basically it's okay to change your course of what you expected early on when you first start a career of what you want it to be, or where you wanted to be. And that it's okay to take a career change and not feel bad that initially you said you were going to be here and you were going to make it to here. I did realize that a lot where I was like, "Why is no one aiming for here? How are they okay to just stand here and be okay, and then just go lateral for 10 years? Doesn't everybody want to chase this thing?" And the more as I've grown up I've realized that, no, not everybody wants that. And sometimes you have to look at the sacrifices behind it that I think as I get older, I'm like, "I'm good." There's certain things that you're like, "Oh, I used to idolize all these people," when in reality it's okay to want other things and build a family, and be home at four o'clock or go pick up your kids. There's so many things that I think before you have a family, you judged quite a bit, while as now I'm like that's happiness to so many people, not chasing other things. But when you're a young 20-year-old, everybody wants to be the top CEO. But in reality, I would say people are choosing different career paths even more so now. I feel like millennials we're a lot more, we want our work-life balance to be pretty good, and we want to be content on both ends. So I think having a career change shift mentally is okay. That just if this makes you happy, stick with that regardless of the title behind it. And that was one. I think that was it, that was my main lesson.

00:27:31 KC Yost
At the end of the day, it becomes priorities. And as you go through stages of life, now, again, I'm a 70-year-old guy who's spent almost 50 years in the pipeline industry. I've gotten to travel around the world, spent a lot of time in Alberta. We'll talk about my apartment in Eau Claire and my SIN card and all of that. I was true Canadian eh for a while, but it was a great run. But as I got older my priorities changed. Having a family, raising the daughters and son. And then as I get older and I retire, my priorities have changed. I don't play near as much golf as I used to, because I have other things I'd rather do for that five hours like play with my grandkids. So priorities change as you get older, and that's the other thing. The other thing I wanted to mention that hit me as I think you were talking about that is expectations. When I was managing engineers and drafters and designers, I always tried to make sure that they understood what my expectations were of them. If they didn't have a clear understanding of my expectations, that was my fault, right? By the same token, as I got older, I learned that they need to let me know what their expectations of me are. I tried to be this servant leader, and supply whatever you need in order for you to be successful. But not everyone felt comfortable going to the corner office and saying, "Hey, I'd really like for X, Y, and Z to happen." And so if I had a chance in my younger self, I'd probably be a little bit more bold to talk about things like that and a little bit more upfront. So anyway, good stuff, good stuff. So anyway, you've got this myriad of work going on. Let's talk briefly if you don't mind about girl dad. I'm really fascinated by that. Can you just spend a few minutes talking about girl gad? Or what did you call it, like father, like daughter post that I've seen?

00:30:02 Jamie Elrod
So really this all started mainly because we did an event with I think FMC, a private event, and it was focused on girl dads. And I had helped moderate because Massiel was in Mexico, so she couldn't attend, but she helped support. And when I attended the event to set it up to moderate and to meet the guest speakers that were all TechnipFMC, a bunch of men had shown up. And there was so much traction from the guys wanting to hear from other fathers on what they have done and how their daughters have been instrumental in their life. And this really sparked an idea with Massiel and I like, "Wow, guys want to be a part of the conversation." We have so many conversations around motherhood, and how moms are dealing with the stress, and mom guilt. And lo and behold, now with this new generation, especially, dads are really playing an important role. And Mass and I can both attest to our husband's playing a huge role in our daughter's lives, and picking up the slack when we're not there. And that's become a standard now. And so we felt that the guys needed a space to talk about how their daughters had impacted them, and how important it is to listen to their daughters, and the advice that they have given them. And so we thought, "Well, why don't we put together an event where we can talk about this? Because it's never been talked about before in the industry." And especially when it comes to men, most of the time they're asked to talk about technical aspects, go to events and talk about their business and stuff like that. And we really wanted to dive into that softer side as we felt that there's a lot of guys out there that want to hear it and also need advice. And there's also single dads who talk about single moms a lot. Mass and I both had single moms, and so we wanted them to feel supported as well. And so that's what really sparked the idea of putting this unique event together.

00:31:57 KC Yost
Very impressive. Very impressive. Very impressive. We are running out of time, but I thought I'd open up the floor. Is there anything that you guys would like to add before we start the signing off?

00:32:12 Massiel Diez
I think depending on when the episode goes out, the July 17th event is a big one, and we encourage anybody in Houston to join us and network. And then we do have Representation Matters, which is our annual event, which I was going to mention prior when I spoke about the events. But it's an event that we do every single year in the fall, and it's representation beyond just gender. And we talk about how representation really does matter, and a lot of people need to see themselves in a leader, or they need to see themselves in positions that maybe other people haven't held in the past, because it's really impactful. Once you see it, you can be it. If you don't see it, it's really hard for you to picture yourself being in that role or in that position, or even in that industry. And so that's really where we focus on Representation Matters. We have different panels all around, different leaders, and like I said, beyond gender, so ethnicities, disabilities.

00:33:09 Jamie Elrod
Disabilities.

00:33:09 Massiel Diez
We had a gentleman in a wheelchair, and how do you deal with disabilities in the workforce? Or even when one of the parents has a disabled child, and how do you deal with that? How do you support them? So we were really trying to broaden the D & I space beyond just gender and color, and there's so many other aspects. So that's going to be October 25th.

00:33:30 Jamie Elrod
25th.

00:33:31 Massiel Diez
25th at Lakeside Country Club as well. And you'll see more information on LinkedIn. And if you want to follow us on LinkedIn, you just type in Flipping The Barrel. Massiel and Jamie, you can find us individually. But we do post a lot on Flipping The Barrel or on Instagram, Flipping The Barrel or website, www.flippinginthebarrel.com. Literally, just type in Flipping The Barrel on Google and you'll find us.

00:33:52 Jamie Elrod
Yeah, it'll come up.

00:33:54 KC Yost
That's fantastic. And everyone knows where Lakeside is on Wilcrest, right?

00:34:00 Massiel Diez
Yep.

00:34:01 Jamie Elrod
Yes.

00:34:01 KC Yost
So great place to have a venue.

00:34:03 Massiel Diez
You've played some golf there. I'm sure, I could see it.

00:34:05 KC Yost
Beg your pardon? I'm sorry.

00:34:06 Massiel Diez
I said I could see you play golf there for sure, if you knew where it was.

00:34:10 KC Yost
Once, twice, three or four times maybe. I live on an engineer's salary, I couldn't afford to be a member there, but I've been invited as a guest more than once. Fair enough. Fair enough. Fair enough. Okay, great. Well, thanks ladies for taking the time to visit with us today. Again, for more information on Flipping The Barrel, that's just what they were talking about, events, podcasts, and other great content, go to flippinginthebarrel.com. That's flippinginthebarrel.com, right?

00:34:43 Massiel Diez
Yep. Yes, sir.

00:34:43 Jamie Elrod
Thank you.

00:34:44 KC Yost
So thanks to all of you for tuning into this episode of the Energy Pipeline Podcast, sponsored by Caterpillar Oil & Gas. If you have any questions, comments, or ideas for podcasts, feel free to email me at kc.yost@oggn.com. I also want to thank my producer Anastasia Willis and Duff, and everyone at the Oil and Gas Global Network for making this podcast possible. Find out more about other OGGN podcasts at oggn.com. This is KC Yost saying goodbye for now. Have a great week and keep that energy flowing through the pipeline.

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